SCVGoodToGo Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I know Boros has been nerfed this recent patch so that his ulti cant do crit damage which was needed. I also know there are loads of counters to him like barb plating, taser, etc and so it goes on. However I just think it is kind of ridiculous how he needs to take very few defensive items. Spell storm being Immune to spell damage is quite frankly stupid! It's cooldown is to small to make it like that. This means pretty much 1/3 of the time Boros's are completely immune from most moves in the game..... On top of this During omnomnomnomlash he is immune to damage this means he can tower dive but its not tower diving.... All in all it means when it gets to end game because he can build glass cannon and survive fine if played with a tiny amount of common sense. He can go and endgame use ultimate on a person and deal between 4-6k damage even with nerfs..... Tell me how this is fair? These days Boros's don't even need bola which was at one stage the skill of playing Boros. He is now a hero plagued by scrub players who have little to know skill at playing the game, and just click damage items get all the most expensive ones and go press R and click on people.... Personally I feel Boros needs to be removed from the game along with null and reworked. Meanwhile give us back fatty loved him. Also a Hero that looks like a Immortal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Honestly, boros as he is now alogn with teh new items, specifically shadowmourne and gravity's edge, feels very balanced to me. I no longer see a problem with boros, at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCVGoodToGo Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I agree team fights he is weak. Making him weaker IH. Although we must remember the majority of this games that are played are PUB's. For PUB's do u not think its kind of stupid how powerful he still it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I play public games exclusively I honestly feel like boros has come very close to balanced. He no longer deals quite so much damage on critical, making him more tolerable. Gravity's Edge allows spell casters to hurt boros, even when spell storm is active. Electric Mantle now auto cnacels Boros's ulti if its ready to proc. Shadowmourne now punishes boros in AA vs AA battles. Bola's reduced range prevents Boros from fishing you out from behind towers without risking himself. As for 4-6K damage against one person, that is scary. However, it is before mitigation, can be stopped by electric mantle, or you cna wear barbed plating and make boros kill himself. Boros is still a very good carry, and if he gets fed he can be terrifying, but he no longer punishes entire teams and he no longer feels unkillable. I feel he is much closer to balanced now than he has ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shab Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I play public games exclusively I honestly feel like boros has come very close to balanced. He no longer deals quite so much damage on critical, making him more tolerable. Gravity's Edge allows spell casters to hurt boros, even when spell storm is active. Electric Mantle now auto cnacels Boros's ulti if its ready to proc. Shadowmourne now punishes boros in AA vs AA battles. Bola's reduced range prevents Boros from fishing you out from behind towers without risking himself. As for 4-6K damage against one person, that is scary. However, it is before mitigation, can be stopped by electric mantle, or you cna wear barbed plating and make boros kill himself. Boros is still a very good carry, and if he gets fed he can be terrifying, but he no longer punishes entire teams and he no longer feels unkillable. I feel he is much closer to balanced now than he has ever been. Afaik boros is invulnerable while ulti. At least he is in DotA, and always used to be in SotIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 He is un-targetable, not invulnerable, and that is in omni-slash not in spell storm. Spell storm is the 100% spell resist, which made casters useless against him. Gravity's edge allows casters to still deal some damage to a spell storm using boros. Electric mantle procs on the first hit of omnislash, stopping the ultimate by stunnign boros. AOE spells can also hit him in omni, and I have seen him innitiate omni AFTER unix had hit him with his ulti, and the unix ulti stays attached. Barbed plating works just fine on boros while he is in omni. Boros is NOT invulnerable while in ulti. You are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shab Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 He is un-targetable, not invulnerable, and that is in omni-slash not in spell storm. Spell storm is the 100% spell resist, which made casters useless against him. Gravity's edge allows casters to still deal some damage to a spell storm using boros. Electric mantle procs on the first hit of omnislash, stopping the ultimate by stunnign boros. AOE spells can also hit him in omni, and I have seen him innitiate omni AFTER unix had hit him with his ulti, and the unix ulti stays attached. Barbed plating works just fine on boros while he is in omni. Boros is NOT invulnerable while in ulti. You are wrong. When did they change boros being invulnerable in his ulti then? Cause he was from version 1 to 5 at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCVGoodToGo Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Afaik boros is invulnerable while ulti. At least he is in DotA, and always used to be in SotIS. This he cant be punished during ominomnomnomnomlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCVGoodToGo Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I Just checked all patch notes doesn't say they stopped him being invulnerable i think he still is?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsights Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Barbed Plating still kills boros during omni slash. Electric mantle can STOP omni slash from happening. If tagged by DoTs spells, those do not cease when he enters omni. Thus unix or other DoTs casters can kill him if they tag him BEFORE he starts to omni. He is untargetable, and he is very, very hard to kill during omni, but its not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCVGoodToGo Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Either way. Its pretty unfair when at top level u must use 2 off your item slots 1/3 just to prevent getting 1 shot by almost invulnerable Boros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Just what AoS needs, another UP/outshadowed hero that new users rage is OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarXX Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 omnislash doesnt make him immune to true damage. ive seen instances when spell damage went through his omnislash. the nerf to bola finished boros. he is now borderline useless. yes spellstorm and omni deals lots of damage lots of QQ treads about that here. thats what should have been nerfed. not his bola. bola made boros fun to play. now his bola is 10 range. youd have to be a newbie to get caught by a 10 range bola. now his initiation skill is almost useless. he has to allocate a slot for impact dial or warp shard or both to be a half-assed initiator. that leaves him with 5 or even 4 slots. and yeah people will still QQ about his damage output. even until now. i hardly see anyone play him anymore. and yes i still play him. nerfed or not, i still love bola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akanna Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 With bola range nerf he is pretty worthless early game, New items can make him super beastly late game, but only if he has time to get the money needed for it (which is a crapton) Omni is still kinda OP, but really without it he would be completely useless, and there are a bajillion ways to counter him atm EDIT: It super easy to overextend yourself with omni, and you spend a lot of time positioning and timing to pull it off against good players Now when your opponent is dumb enough to jungle alone without even a creep wave as backup...totally different story and they deserve the 1 button rape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
residente Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 He can deal near to 1k damage per hit, that's stupid. Bola range was nerfed, that's stupid. Bola is the funny part of boros, pressing Q+R not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Boros has being vulnerable to damage during ulti since this was SotiS.... Like it was stated in this thread (And almost every other thread about boros OP), Boros DO take damage during Omni (If applies), from elements such as Barbed, Mantle, etc... He can deal near to 1k damage per hit, that's stupid. Bola range was nerfed, that's stupid. Bola is the funny part of boros, pressing Q+R not... As i understand, Boros is no longer Procing Crits during Omni, ergo he has only 125 + regular weapon damage x3/5/8 hits depending on the levels... I don't think you can deal above +/- 800 damage with Boros in his current state.. With bola range nerf he is pretty worthless early game, New items can make him super beastly late game, but only if he has time to get the money needed for it (which is a crapton) Omni is still kinda OP, but really without it he would be completely useless, and there are a bajillion ways to counter him atm EDIT: It super easy to overextend yourself with omni, and you spend a lot of time positioning and timing to pull it off against good players Now when your opponent is dumb enough to jungle alone without even a creep wave as backup...totally different story and they deserve the 1 button rape Boros useless early game? Send him to a side lane with almost any hero with a cc... I don't think hes really "useless"... Bola's damage was more than tripled 90 --> 300 base spell damage per second, warp shard + regular move speed = about 3 ~ 4 seconds of travel, in late game you can even make it up to 6 seconds = 1200 ~ 1800 base spell damage... Int Boros is not much more viable thanks to gravity edge xD... Also, with the new items available, if boros can 1 button rape you, you are building your hero like a glass cannon, and there is no arguing on that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaldi Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 african plays boros so he must be OP nerf him please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwarts Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Boros is pretty close to being balanced, his ss cool down was bumped from 9 seconds to like 20+ he is still a carry, Carry heroes are supposed to kill support heroes in a 1v1 but he is much more manageable now and yes he can die in his omnislash and if your that worried about omni and your electric mantles fails you buy a lock box and just lock your self when he ults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnigear Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 omnislash can still target you during mid animation =( phase strike,surge,shade,blink,cyps blink, plannar, and lunge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamescossey Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 He is un-targetable, not invulnerable, and that is in omni-slash not in spell storm. Spell storm is the 100% spell resist, which made casters useless against him. Gravity's edge allows casters to still deal some damage to a spell storm using boros. Electric mantle procs on the first hit of omnislash, stopping the ultimate by stunnign boros. AOE spells can also hit him in omni, and I have seen him innitiate omni AFTER unix had hit him with his ulti, and the unix ulti stays attached. Barbed plating works just fine on boros while he is in omni. Boros is NOT invulnerable while in ulti. You are wrong. I only wish electric mantle could stop his omnislash. and barb only hurts him if his SS isnt up when he omni's. This doesnt just affect boros, but he does hurt. his ulti still seems to crit I was playing tycus, full tank build, i had 5k health, 40 armor and 35% spell resist. this including having barb and electric mantle, as well as talents for counter. 1v1 boros runs up bubbles and hits ulti, each hit proced for a 1200 crit. I died boros lived unscathed prossibly due to his leech. but either way a fully built tank should not be 1 shotted when equally geard to the dps. people are saying tanks have more health so its even, but dps does what seems to be double the amount of damage. I can back this dps thing up for damage wise cause before as raynor yes i could hurt a tank with spells but now. silence shot doing abotu 1600 and ulti with out them being below 40% is doing 2k. what needs to happen is thier tanks with passives and actives for damage resistance needs to be re worked or fixed to do what they are suppose to be doing, letting the tank tank. in other words if ur built to tank, u dont do much damage but can shouldnt be able to be killed 1v1 with ease. If u go dps build thats a story by it self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wriggled Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 So... if boros has 10 range bola, is a 9 range lance useless? Still the longest range "grab them and bring them back to me" ability in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitetrasH Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 okay seriously... boros has been nerfed bad enough now. He's the most balanced i've seen ever him be with the exception of his bola which was his main means of fighting... but apart from that, easily killed, easily countered... i think this is a l2p issue, not a boros is op (or to strong) issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 So... if boros has 10 range bola, is a 9 range lance useless? Still the longest range "grab them and bring them back to me" ability in the game 1 range difference is negligible, especially granted drake's martyr speed boost. What I do know is that you can outrun a 10 range bola, you won't outrun a 9 range lance. All in, bola is currently the worst reposition initiation spell. Outranked by Drake lance, Roach impale, Micro throw and Tass swap accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lOvOl Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 1 range difference is negligible, especially granted drake's martyr speed boost. What I do know is that you can outrun a 10 range bola, you won't outrun a 9 range lance. All in, bola is currently the worst reposition initiation spell. Outranked by Drake lance, Roach impale, Micro throw and Tass swap accordingly. I am not gonna argue whether bola is better than lance now for pulling enemies (cause it is not), however, if you want to do a utility Boros build that focuses on bola, you can still do very well with lockbox, warpshard, impact dial. Lockbox now has the same range as bola so you just need to get in lockbox range of an enemy, lockbox them then time the bola and warpshard and impact dial away for 1500 bonus damage (no int items, other than lockbox and impact dial), and 1000 without the impact dial. That is pretty solid spell damage. Your other items in such a build would likely be a sunflare gun a pyre and a nitrogen refit for the slow. That being said, I usually build boros for crit these days with the new patch. Cerebro is just really darned good on Boros if you can get your crits up to near 100%. Because in the time you are using spell storm you can have it ready for a second pass when it wears off by autoattacking. Nevertheless, if you want to focus on int and bola for damage, you are going to definitely want to get a lockbox now to setup your bolas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinGofDaBerG Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 O my God Yaldi Fuuuuuuuu!!!! People just mad cause of my mad skills!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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